{"id":1561,"date":"2024-09-06T14:55:47","date_gmt":"2024-09-06T14:55:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/?p=1561"},"modified":"2025-10-26T04:45:57","modified_gmt":"2025-10-26T04:45:57","slug":"artificial-intelligence-natural-intelligence-co-intelligence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/2024\/09\/06\/artificial-intelligence-natural-intelligence-co-intelligence\/","title":{"rendered":"Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\n<title>Center for Policy Studies Public Affairs Discussion Group &#8211; Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence. Wtih Mark Turner, Ph.D., Institute Professor and Professor of Cognitive Science at Case Western Reserve University.<\/title><\/p>\n<table align=\"center\" width=\"640\" style=\"padding:3px\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"702\" align=\"center\" valign=\"top\" style=\"margin: -1.9px 2px 2px 2px;padding:5px\">\n<table style=\"padding:px\" align=\"center\" width=\"637\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"629\" colspan=\"3\" valign=\"top\" bgcolor=\"#ffffff\" style=\"margin: 2px 2px 2px 2px;text-align: center;font-size: 12px\">\n<p style=\"width: 100%;text-align: left;margin:                      3px 0px 0px;font-size: 24px\"><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/238\/2024\/06\/07135207\/cas_logo_newsletters2.jpg\" alt=\"CAS\" longdesc=\"http:\/\/policy.case.edu\" height=\"100\" width=\"328\"><br \/><strong><font face=\"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif\" color=\"#0a304e\">Center for Policy Studies<br \/>Public Affairs Discussion Group<\/font><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"3\" valign=\"top\" bgcolor=\"#ffffff\" style=\"margin: -4px -4px -4px -4px;text-align: center;font-size: 0px\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table style=\"margin: -1.9px 2px 2px 2px\" align=\"center\" width=\"640\">\n<tr>\n<td width=\"502\" valign=\"top\" style=\"padding: 3px\">\n<table width=\"627\">\n<tr>\n<td width=\"98%\" height=\"33\" align=\"left\" valign=\"top\" style=\"margin: 0px 2px 2px 2px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 24px;padding: 1px\"><strong><font color=\"#0a304e\">Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table width=\"627\">\n<tr>\n<td width=\"70%\" align=\"left\" valign=\"top\" style=\"margin: 0px 2px 2px 2px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 14px;padding: 2px\"><img align=\"left\" src=\"https:\/\/artscimedia.case.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/238\/2025\/10\/23054328\/turner_mark4.jpg\" hspace=\"3\"><\/p>\n<p>                   <font color=\"#0a304e\"><strong>Mark Turner, Ph.D. &#8211; Institute Professor and Professor of Cognitive Science at Case Western Reserve University <\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"70%\" valign=\"top\" bgcolor=\"FFFFFF\" style=\"margin: 2px 2px 2px 2px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 14px;padding: 2px\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><strong>Friday September 6, 2024<br \/>\n\t12:30-1:30 p.m.<br \/>Meeting Both In-Person and by Zoom<br \/>\nDampeer Room, Second Floor of Kelvin Smith Library<\/strong><\/font><font size=\"3\" color=\"#990000\"><strong>*<\/strong><\/font><br \/>\n<font color=\"#0a304e\"><strong>Case Western Reserve University<\/strong><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font color=\"#0a304e\">Dear Colleagues:<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font color=\"#0a304e\"><strong>Amid the extensive hype and horror about generative AI, it seems to me useful to step back and ask exactly what we might be talking about. For example, what is \u201cintelligence\u201d anyway, and how could the \u201cartificial\u201d be different (for better or worse) from the \u201cnatural\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This seems an excellent question to ask Mark Turner.  Intelligence is cognition, and the development of Artificial Intelligence (AI) has long been linked to the study of human cognition. One could argue that both the phenomenon of AI and the field of CogSci have developed<\/font> <a href=\"https:\/\/baicsworkshop.github.io\/#:~:text=Cognitive%20science%20and%20artificial%20intelligence,Rumelhart%20and%20McClelland%2C%201986).\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>somewhat in parallel<\/u><\/font><\/a><font color=\"#0a304e\">. An<\/font> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/blog\/keeping-those-words-in-mind\/202206\/how-cognitive-science-and-artificial-intelligence-are\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>article<\/u><\/font><\/a> <font color=\"#0a304e\">in <em>Psychology Today <\/em>even noted that, \u201cit almost seems as if AI is computer science motivated by psychology, and cognitive science psychology motivated by computer science.\u201d The key words here are \u201calmost\u201d and \u201cseems.\u201d Nevertheless, it we want to understand how AI might be part of the future of human affairs, we need a broad understanding of cognition.<\/p>\n<p>What are the elements, operations, overlaps, constraints, limitations, and differences between the \u201cartificial\u201d cognition done by machines and the \u201cnatural\u201d cognition performed by humans?<\/p>\n<p>As Professor Turner argues, AI seems to have evident advantages: the systems are tireless, unneedy (well, except for huge amounts of energy resources), seemingly immortal (but maybe not quite?) and seemingly reliably replicable across countless instances. They seem nearly infallible in memory retention, capable of training each other, and can certainly handle and analyze vast datasets that the world\u2019s entire research community could not encounter in a lifetime, much less study and analyze. AI procedures can operate computationally in ways that are alien to human cognition, using methods of problem-solving \u2013 or at least of calculation \u2013 that a human being cannot.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, he can remind us, all human beings can act creatively in everyday situations, adapting and innovating in ways that AI cannot so far mimic, and such creativity rather than being remarkable is part of normal human performance. I would add that there are elements of judgment that cannot be reduced to calculation; that trying to resolve value conflicts based on some sort of calculation does not sound at all like a good idea; and that the processes of induction from comparing things might be mimicked through AI but I have no idea how one would judge the effectiveness of such \u201creasoning.\u201d The bottom line, as Professor Turner e-mailed me, is that \u201cartificial and natural intelligence should both be used for what they are good for; they do have some intersection;\u201d but they remain quite different.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Please join us as Professor Turner launches a discussion of present realities and future opportunities in areas such as decision-making, multimodal communication, linguistics, reasoning, complex problem-solving, law, medicine, biology, and education.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Best wishes for safety and security for you and yours,<\/p>\n<p>    Joe White<br \/>\n    Luxenberg Family Professor of Public Policy and Director, Center for Policy Studies<\/font>\n  <\/p>\n<hr width=\"100%\" style=\"padding:0px\" \/>\n<h3><font color=\"#0a304e\">About Our Guest<\/font><\/h3>\n<p><font color=\"#0a304e\"><strong>Mark Turner<\/strong>,<\/font> <a href=\"http:\/\/markturner.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>http:\/\/markturner.org<\/u><\/font><\/a><font color=\"#0a304e\">, is Institute Professor and Professor of Cognitive Science.  He is founding director of the Cognitive Science Network, co-director of the<\/font> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.redhenlab.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>Red Hen Lab<\/u><\/font><\/a><font color=\"#0a304e\">, and has been recognized with more prizes and fellowships than could possibly be listed here.  He has published extensively on topics such as the relationship between cognitive science and the study of English,<\/font> <a href=\"https:\/\/academic.oup.com\/book\/53439\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>cognitive science and the social sciences<\/u><\/font><\/a><font color=\"#0a304e\">, human creativity, and how ideas are generated through conceptual blending.  His most recent book is<\/font> <em><a href=\"https:\/\/publish.obsidian.md\/copilotsforlinguists\/%F0%9F%9B%AC+Landing+Area\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><font color=\"#0a304e\"><u>CoPilots for Linguists:<\/u><\/font><\/a> <font color=\"#0a304e\">AI, Constructions, and Frames<\/em> (Cambridge University Press, 2024).<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"3\" valign=\"top\" bgcolor=\"#ffffff\" style=\"margin: -4px -4px -4px -4px;text-align: center;font-size: 0px\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<table style=\"margin: -4px 2px 2px 2px;padding: 0px\" align=\"center\" width=\"640\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"margin-top: 0px;padding: 0px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 14px\">\n<p align=\"center\"> Visit the <a href=\"http:\/\/fridaylunch.case.edu\"><font color=\"#004480\">Public Affairs Discussion Group Web Site.<\/font><\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"> Center for Policy Studies | Mather House<br \/>\n        111 | 11201 Euclid Avenue |<br \/>\n        Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7109 |&nbsp;Phone: 216.368.6730 |&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:padg@case.edu\"><font color=\"#004480\"><u>padg@case.edu<\/u><\/font><\/a> |<br \/>Part of the:&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.case.edu\/artsci\"><font color=\"#004480\"><u>College of Arts and Sciences<\/u><\/font><\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&copy; 2024 Case Western Reserve University |<br \/> Cleveland, Ohio<br \/>\n        44106 | 216.368.2000 |&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.case.edu\/legal.htm\"><font color=\"#004480\"><u>legal notice<\/u><\/font><\/a><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\nCenter for Policy Studies Public Affairs Discussion Group &#8211; Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence. Wtih Mark Turner, Ph.D., Institute Professor and Professor of Cognitive Science at Case Western Reserve University.<\/p>\n<p style=\"width: 100%;text-align: left;margin:                      3px 0px 0px;font-size: 24px\"><strong>Center for Policy StudiesPublic Affairs Discussion Group<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>                <strong>Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>                   <strong>Mark Turner, Ph.D. &#8211; Institute Professor and Professor of Cognitive Science at Case Western Reserve University <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Friday September 6, 2024<br \/>\n\t12:30-1:30 p.m.Meeting Both In-Person and by Zoom<br \/>\nDampeer Room, Second Floor of Kelvin Smith Library<\/strong><strong>*<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Case Western Reserve University<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dear Colleagues:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Amid the extensive hype and horror about generative AI,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/2024\/09\/06\/artificial-intelligence-natural-intelligence-co-intelligence\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading&#8230; <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Artificial Intelligence, Natural Intelligence, Co-Intelligence<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":101,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"spay_email":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1561"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/101"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1561"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1561\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1640,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1561\/revisions\/1640"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1561"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1561"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artsci.case.edu\/fridaylunch\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1561"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}